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		<title>By: Christina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank god Todd cleared that up for us.

(This is a wonderful post.)</description>
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<p>(This is a wonderful post.)</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 01:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mama, 1. the socialist perspective on human creativity should be discounted, because however highly socialists may claim to rank it, they have no solution for how to efficiently coordinate the diverse interests, values, and creative energies of the vast multitude of strangers that comprise the modern society.  The only mechanism that has yet been discovered capable of achieving this coordination is the evolution of prices in the free-market.  The gas-lines from the &#039;70s are a good example of what has happened when human beings have tried to interfere and consciously set prices without reference to or in direct contradiction of the market price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mama, 1. the socialist perspective on human creativity should be discounted, because however highly socialists may claim to rank it, they have no solution for how to efficiently coordinate the diverse interests, values, and creative energies of the vast multitude of strangers that comprise the modern society.  The only mechanism that has yet been discovered capable of achieving this coordination is the evolution of prices in the free-market.  The gas-lines from the &#8217;70s are a good example of what has happened when human beings have tried to interfere and consciously set prices without reference to or in direct contradiction of the market price.</p>
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		<title>By: los anjalis &#187; reprise: is health care a right or a privilege?</title>
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		<dc:creator>los anjalis &#187; reprise: is health care a right or a privilege?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mama</title>
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		<dc:creator>mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@john
some quick thoughts (have to run to work) 
1. when marx said that we should create a society : from each according to his ability to each according to his needs.  he was valuing human creativity and talent highly.  i dont see why the value of creativity is solely in the purview of capitalist theory.  furthermore most socialist anarchist, ie the link that derek posted which is basically in the realms of michael albert and noam chomsky and z net - a bit too macho for me but i am more in line with the analysis - greatly values human creativity and actually one of the central arguments of that school of anarchist thought is that human creativity will solve alot of the issues that will come about once this whole fascist, colonialist, neo capitalist bullshit empire is finally done.  i.e. they argue for creativity and not chaos.  
2. there is a common dynamic on blogs in which a. someone posts something that deals or addresses a particular marginalized community.  b. the more dominant voices cannot really relate to what is posted so they latch onto the one or two lil things that they can relate to even if those things are pretty peripheral to the conversation c. they assume that they have the right to comment on those peripheries.  d. by the commenting and subsequent comments the central idea that was addressing the marginalized communities is disappeared in the conversation and the issues that are more relatable to the dominant voices once again take center stage.  
this is a really annoying thing that happens all the time.  so thank god for poc and others who are willing to call it out when it happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@john<br />
some quick thoughts (have to run to work)<br />
1. when marx said that we should create a society : from each according to his ability to each according to his needs.  he was valuing human creativity and talent highly.  i dont see why the value of creativity is solely in the purview of capitalist theory.  furthermore most socialist anarchist, ie the link that derek posted which is basically in the realms of michael albert and noam chomsky and z net &#8211; a bit too macho for me but i am more in line with the analysis &#8211; greatly values human creativity and actually one of the central arguments of that school of anarchist thought is that human creativity will solve alot of the issues that will come about once this whole fascist, colonialist, neo capitalist bullshit empire is finally done.  i.e. they argue for creativity and not chaos.<br />
2. there is a common dynamic on blogs in which a. someone posts something that deals or addresses a particular marginalized community.  b. the more dominant voices cannot really relate to what is posted so they latch onto the one or two lil things that they can relate to even if those things are pretty peripheral to the conversation c. they assume that they have the right to comment on those peripheries.  d. by the commenting and subsequent comments the central idea that was addressing the marginalized communities is disappeared in the conversation and the issues that are more relatable to the dominant voices once again take center stage.<br />
this is a really annoying thing that happens all the time.  so thank god for poc and others who are willing to call it out when it happens.</p>
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		<title>By: mama</title>
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		<dc:creator>mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@katie
certainly you are welcome to quote and link it!</description>
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certainly you are welcome to quote and link it!</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 00:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was really powerful. I&#039;d love to quote and link over at my LJ - may I?</description>
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		<title>By: John Stephens</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Stephens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John Stephens</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Stephens</dc:creator>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad for the attitude of hospitality, especially with the saying of &quot;dude&quot;. ;) Last time I went off topic in a conversation here, I got sanctions by the collective.

In the spirit of further laughter and geeking:


I&#039;m not so much an anarcho-capitalist. While I&#039;m severely critical of states, I believe strongly in governance: basic rights take priority over consent of individuals. It&#039;s not the ideal, but states play a role in protecting rights under the rule of law. Maybe I&#039;m an archonoclast, but I don&#039;t see myself as an anarchist.
I&#039;m only a &lt;em&gt;capitalist&lt;/em&gt; insofar as I believe that a system that invests in and understands wealth as human creativity is morally superior to a conservative economy in which wealth is land/natural resources. Human creativity is potentially infinite, whereas atoms on Earth are finite.
When I talk about wealth, I&#039;m not just referring to cash and resources, but all kinds of wealth: longer, more fulfilling lives, lower infant mortality, art, music, and everything that can make life richer. Making life richer leads to &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_utility&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;diminishing marginal utility&lt;/a&gt;; that is, the happiness generated by wealth is monumental at the survival level, huge at the comfort level, slight at the luxury level, and corresponds to &lt;em&gt;unhappiness&lt;/em&gt; after that (these categories are made-up). But with the majority of Earth&#039;s seven billion people living in grinding poverty, we are in no great danger any time soon of making life &lt;em&gt;too&lt;/em&gt; rich.
Conservative economies that see land/resources as the only wealth are caught in a zero-sum, fixed-pie game of domination. Capitalism, on the other hand, shows that wealth can grow because creative people can create new ways to solve problems. Society can get richer from entrepreneurs (including social entrepreneurs) who make better things and better processes. In conservative economies, innovating is too risky, but capitalism opens the way for creative people to fully harness opportunities that offer scope for their creativity.
Without liberty, capitalism leads to very distorted and dehumanizing outcomes. Political capitalism exploits this, allowing entities that degrade human rights to operate with impunity, like the Devil&#039;s Mafia, as long as they maximize short-term profits. Political capitalism treats profit-maximizing as a zero-sum game, without regard for long-term good, liberty, or basic rights, and denying the scope of human creativity. Political capitalism and cartelism depend on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;broken window fallacy&lt;/a&gt;.
Liberal markets are a separate issue from capitalism, and one that I deem more important (but not more important than basic rights of security and subsistence, without which freedom cannot exist). A free market is one in which people are &lt;em&gt;free&lt;/em&gt; to choose what they are willing to give and receive from others.
The precedence of liberty is essential. Without protection of freedom based on protection of basic rights, &quot;free market&quot; is reduced to Orwellian doublespeak. Cf. &quot;liberalization&quot; of Latin America, et alia.
As a rule, states do not allow market freedoms to extend beyond the interests of elites.
But market freedom and capitalism have a lot to offer none-the-less. Michael Strong writes: &quot;Except for those countries ravaged by war, citizens in even Africa’s poorest nations have a higher standard of living, less infant mortality, and a longer life span, than did the average peasant in Europe, China, India, or Africa in 1400. If we believe that being alive is better than being dead, capitalism has made everyone on earth better off.&quot;
I have other problems with capitalism too, and not just what I would call &quot;cartelism&quot; or &quot;political capitalism&quot;-- I have problems with capitalism as a way. While I deem capitalism morally superior to fixed-pie conservative economies, it isn&#039;t the end of our moral growth as a society. We need to go further, extending freedom to all life on Earth. Under capitalism, Nature is regarded as an input to production, rather than a cocreative partner in the dynamically stable, spontaneous order of life on earth, of which the human economy is merely a satellite. Under free market principles, capitalism as it presently exists is unconscionable. We can evolve beyond capitalism not by rejecting free markets and segregating humans from the land, but by extending rights to the land itself and engaging the land in our own symbiotic naturalization.


I wish I had time to write more, but I have to get back to work.

@Derek: I&#039;m disappointed that you&#039;re lumping Hayek in with Rothbard and Mises without looking over the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.econlib.org/library/Essays/hykKnw1.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;short essay&lt;/a&gt; I posted in reference to the conversation. But, I know you&#039;re busy, as am I. To boot, I haven&#039;t looked at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.parecon.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link you posted&lt;/a&gt; yet either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad for the attitude of hospitality, especially with the saying of &#8220;dude&#8221;. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Last time I went off topic in a conversation here, I got sanctions by the collective.</p>
<p>In the spirit of further laughter and geeking:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so much an anarcho-capitalist. While I&#8217;m severely critical of states, I believe strongly in governance: basic rights take priority over consent of individuals. It&#8217;s not the ideal, but states play a role in protecting rights under the rule of law. Maybe I&#8217;m an archonoclast, but I don&#8217;t see myself as an anarchist.<br />
I&#8217;m only a <em>capitalist</em> insofar as I believe that a system that invests in and understands wealth as human creativity is morally superior to a conservative economy in which wealth is land/natural resources. Human creativity is potentially infinite, whereas atoms on Earth are finite.<br />
When I talk about wealth, I&#8217;m not just referring to cash and resources, but all kinds of wealth: longer, more fulfilling lives, lower infant mortality, art, music, and everything that can make life richer. Making life richer leads to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_utility" rel="nofollow">diminishing marginal utility</a>; that is, the happiness generated by wealth is monumental at the survival level, huge at the comfort level, slight at the luxury level, and corresponds to <em>unhappiness</em> after that (these categories are made-up). But with the majority of Earth&#8217;s seven billion people living in grinding poverty, we are in no great danger any time soon of making life <em>too</em> rich.<br />
Conservative economies that see land/resources as the only wealth are caught in a zero-sum, fixed-pie game of domination. Capitalism, on the other hand, shows that wealth can grow because creative people can create new ways to solve problems. Society can get richer from entrepreneurs (including social entrepreneurs) who make better things and better processes. In conservative economies, innovating is too risky, but capitalism opens the way for creative people to fully harness opportunities that offer scope for their creativity.<br />
Without liberty, capitalism leads to very distorted and dehumanizing outcomes. Political capitalism exploits this, allowing entities that degrade human rights to operate with impunity, like the Devil&#8217;s Mafia, as long as they maximize short-term profits. Political capitalism treats profit-maximizing as a zero-sum game, without regard for long-term good, liberty, or basic rights, and denying the scope of human creativity. Political capitalism and cartelism depend on the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window" rel="nofollow">broken window fallacy</a>.<br />
Liberal markets are a separate issue from capitalism, and one that I deem more important (but not more important than basic rights of security and subsistence, without which freedom cannot exist). A free market is one in which people are <em>free</em> to choose what they are willing to give and receive from others.<br />
The precedence of liberty is essential. Without protection of freedom based on protection of basic rights, &#8220;free market&#8221; is reduced to Orwellian doublespeak. Cf. &#8220;liberalization&#8221; of Latin America, et alia.<br />
As a rule, states do not allow market freedoms to extend beyond the interests of elites.<br />
But market freedom and capitalism have a lot to offer none-the-less. Michael Strong writes: &#8220;Except for those countries ravaged by war, citizens in even Africa’s poorest nations have a higher standard of living, less infant mortality, and a longer life span, than did the average peasant in Europe, China, India, or Africa in 1400. If we believe that being alive is better than being dead, capitalism has made everyone on earth better off.&#8221;<br />
I have other problems with capitalism too, and not just what I would call &#8220;cartelism&#8221; or &#8220;political capitalism&#8221;&#8211; I have problems with capitalism as a way. While I deem capitalism morally superior to fixed-pie conservative economies, it isn&#8217;t the end of our moral growth as a society. We need to go further, extending freedom to all life on Earth. Under capitalism, Nature is regarded as an input to production, rather than a cocreative partner in the dynamically stable, spontaneous order of life on earth, of which the human economy is merely a satellite. Under free market principles, capitalism as it presently exists is unconscionable. We can evolve beyond capitalism not by rejecting free markets and segregating humans from the land, but by extending rights to the land itself and engaging the land in our own symbiotic naturalization.</p>
<p>I wish I had time to write more, but I have to get back to work.</p>
<p>@Derek: I&#8217;m disappointed that you&#8217;re lumping Hayek in with Rothbard and Mises without looking over the <a href="http://www.econlib.org/library/Essays/hykKnw1.html" rel="nofollow">short essay</a> I posted in reference to the conversation. But, I know you&#8217;re busy, as am I. To boot, I haven&#8217;t looked at the <a href="http://www.parecon.org/" rel="nofollow">link you posted</a> yet either.</p>
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		<title>By: mama</title>
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		<dc:creator>mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dude yeah we should all be sitting together during lunch or after school...</description>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 02:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...considering I was duking this out with a guy I went to high school with...jesus...12 years ago, it reminded me of old times too. 

It wasn&#039;t really a name-drop-athon, or at least that wasn&#039;t my intention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;considering I was duking this out with a guy I went to high school with&#8230;jesus&#8230;12 years ago, it reminded me of old times too. </p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t really a name-drop-athon, or at least that wasn&#8217;t my intention.</p>
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